The same issues and the dreaded 4 flashes of death. I wish I had known this a few months ago. This may help all. When I put it back together, it still flashed 4 lights and only the pilot would light. What the gas pressure has to do with a faulty temperature sensor is a mystery to me, and perhaps just part of their damage control process to delay things. It, too, does not get any flashes after the pilot is lit. inlet and. It Is Designed For Use In Standing Pilot Applications Using An Immersion Well For Water Temperature Sensing. About to enter the fray and attempt the 4-blink DIY fix solution. Its a Reliant water heater, but at Menards. Free! The thing is less then a week old!! The only material needed is one short jumper or piece of wire. You can only find the entire assembly. I saw that the light went out and the pilot had gone out. This was purchased in July 2013 and this is the first time I clicked it up a notch to get a warmer water temp and now it stops working! They said they couldnt do anything about that. So I changed that out for a 1/4 turn one, much easier. Some people said touching the 2 top posts and you said top right and bottom one. WT8840 TRADE WATER HEATER CONTROLS 34-00013EF01 2 PLANNING THE INSTALLATION WARNING Fire or Explosion Hazard. As a side note, the light on the new valve is white. After days re-seating all the wires I found that cleaning the lint out of the cage where the main gas flex tube enters an air tunnel leading to the main burner about 6 inches below the white cover fixed it. 1. I will be calling the Whirlpool number to see if I can get a replacement valve unit before this one goes out for good! After trying multiple things mentioned here I finally unplugged the wires to the board only, tried to ignite then left it for a while and then plugged it in and it lit! Took the board out and just touched everything with the cross wire and let it sit. I also flushed the tank out twice by turning the supply on with the drain open. They may just reset it, then charge again for the next time it needs resetting. But we know different, Sounds like a lot of us are having the some problem: Also, is the setpoint continuously variable as the dial is turned, or are the labeled settings stepped and all there are? I tried the other methods to discharge the caps etc Those Methods did not work. When that gets combined with another situation it can then escape the tight loop it appears to be in and in effect resets itself. 3. step by step please for dummies. I researched the internet (many hours!) Although, it wouldnt hurt to turn the gas off at the water heater line by twisting the valve into the horizontal position. I dont buy enough plumbing parts to make a vendor recommendation, thank god. > How can this have been going on for years and not have been fixed? I want to send you a gift..paypal?? When I put it back in it blinked 7 times. When it calls for heat the damper opens and the pilot ignites but the main burner will not activate. UPDATE: David Boones method worked great for me, exactly as described. This would do the same as pulling the connector off the board and relighting the pilot momentarily. But I just wanted to confirm is there no way to reset the 4 blink code for a newer, white light, unit? This is the second time I have had the dreaded four blink failure in a 30 Gal. So dont give up, it does work and Im guessing that these methods will work on 100% of the failed controllers if you follow the steps to a T with the knowledge that you may have to do it more than one or two times before it takes and clears the fault code. BTW I wouldnt try to short everything in sight to GND, because the board and components are conformally coated to seal out moisture, so you dont want to damage the coating. Unfortunately, Charles, your fix did not work for me. faile, hot water thermostat is not cutting off at preset, My water heater has a Honeywell WV8840B1109 contro, My WV8840B1109 flashes a "High Temp Shutdown" code, where do I hook up my vent controls on my new Hone, honeywell n40t91403 water heater not lighting, Can I get a manual for a Honeywell product #WV8840, pilot light blink 4 times every 3 seconds says ove, The pilot light went out and we gave not been able, Gas is shooting out of the hotwater thermostate, to connect hot water heaters with Honeywell themos, Copyright 2020 Inmar-OIQ, LLC All Rights Reserved. $30 plus tax and I will roll up my sleeves and attempt to do this-I CAN DO THIS (I think) In the mean time I will be stinky at work and my hair will serve as grease for deep frying. shut off the pilot and reconnect the 3 wire plug and but the cover back on. One note, since I did not have any clip leads I just used a rubber band to hold two pieces of speaker wire to a AA battery and held the wires on the pins with my index fingers. Only 18 month old water heater and I too had the four flashes of death, with working pilot light. And if you are atheist? is there a small battery? The two upper pins of V push out of the cover and have doughnut shaped gaskets to seal gases. This item: WV8840B1109 Gas Valve for Honeywell Whirlpool Water Heaters - WV8840B1109 WV8840B1042 $429.99 Fixitshop Water Heater Pilot Assembely Includes Pilot Thermocouple and Tubing Natural 24" $14.99 Water Heater Pilot Assembely Includes Pilot Thermocouple and Tubing LP Propane $14.99 Product information Technical Details Additional Information I had to do it again so Ill detail what seems to have worked form me. https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946581980/ On 21 November, 2014 I performed the fix that Charles described on 29 July, 2014. So, again Sears says they need to send a repair guy out. Never had this problem with old fashioned hot water heaters. The pilot would light and I let it sit for a few minutes running on pilot. Something to consider. I woke up on a Saturday morning to this issue and used your Fault Clear instructions and they WORKED! Maybe a model or serial number? and then it might come back on or not. Turner up temp control to hot, all is well. I initially did unplug everything and flushed the tank there was some residue and sediment not a ton but apparently enough to confound the sensor. Honeywell and Sears/Home Depot/etc. He gave me the $30 overnight speech but I opted for the $10 and some change shippingGot it 2 days later! Neither worked, the second board is now dead. If you havent done it in a while, theres a very good chance that it will help solve whatevers going on. Okay. Turn the knob to 9 or 10 oclock- since your controller is faulted, nothing should happen. Charles, Called for a replacement through AOS Smith and in the meantime followed Davids How to un-fault a controller mission with success. My Whirlpool gas water heater is giving me the dreaded four blinks signal. As ColdShowerMan noted, there are differences in the new design they sent me. Oh, I see. I found the most reliable one is to install the parts without the cover and short the top two pins that go to the pilot light (left) and the main burner (right) and running it for a while. I replaced it in a couple of hours and we were back in business. It has lasted about a year then gave the 4 blink code again. That visit its no guarantee that they will give you a new valve. At least then Ill have a stockpile when the water heater is out of warranty. They are not interchangeable. I just ran enough hot water out to get it to call for heat again and it lit fine on its own. I set the temperature control to just below hot and the burner came on. This procedure worked like a charm. Apparently the probe was too sensitive to heat caused by sediment build up. Note the code flashes from the LED which indicates the pilot is lit. Remove, Element, Stubborn. So that is an option for those that want one straight away in town, or they will reimburse you. save delay . There is also a little white switch in the middle with wires attached on each side of the thermocoupler that is a reset button. HELP, what step to go. Going to talk to Whirlpool and have them ship out the replacement. I hope it helps someone. > Isnt there any way to tell the gas valve to [reset the error condition]? Expect difficulties. Started looking on line for a replacement and came across this site. You can now release the knob and the pilot should stay on. I have the 50 gallon model of the Whirlpool water heater from Lowes that has the Honeywell controller on a Bradford White valve. Troubleshooting (just to make sure it wasnt the thermal switch or something) I took the board only out of the new valve they sent and put it on there. (no blinks, no pilot) Turned it around and clipped it back in and went through the lighting the pilot light. Checked the wiring. DB: Instructions are clear and hope to follow this to override the Honeywell piece of crap Gas Control Thermostat on my 2.5 year old 50gal tank. On my particular Honeywell gas valve, model WV8840B1109, the error codes indicate the following: FLASHES STATUS 0 Control Off/Pilot Out 1 Normal Operation 2 Thermopile Voltage Low 4 High Temperature Shutdown 5 Temperature Sensor Failure 7 Gas Control or Valve Failure 8 Flame Sensor Error Can you believe this crap! I even suspect there is a simpler method to do it than the one Ill now detail. The next guy I talked to was very surprised that the Valve would be bad again so quickly so he had me go through a reset procedure. My heater approximately 3 years old. The wt8840 is powered from a thermopile heated by the standing pilot flame. Switched back to the old board and still couldnt get it to work. I tried to call Honeywell just to ask and they wont give me any info because I didnt have the model number on me. So either the thermostat is faulty, or somehow theres something preventing heat transfer from the heating chamber and the water in the tank. An extremely tense situation with 2 women in the house, Monday morning (Wife and daughter) and no hot water was avoided by the above fix. no gas pressure would indicate the heater has been shut down and the error code is released? I suspect it to be calcium and salts. I have not had hot water since Thursday night. I shorted every connection on the board to the only connection marked GND rather than wait the hour. honeywell wv8840b1109 manual honeywell wv8840b1109 manual Pmi reliance supply electric power partcrib please. The WT8840 is powered from a thermopile heated by the standing pilot flame. Be gentle; its only plastic. The 5 inlet pipe would NOT separate from the Gas Valve assembly, so I had to run up to Lowes and get a new inlet pipe (5 1/2) to connect to the new assembly. The main gas valve will open and the burner will fire up (If is does not fire up, it means the pilot was not lit and you should disconnect the battery and start over when the gas clears). . Shut off the pilot, remove the cover and reconnect the three wire connector to the circuit board. Bam! Ive also decided that, every year, Im going to file a warranty claim on this piece of crap valve/circuit board setup. So now it is connected up as it would be normally but without the cover attached. I have a newer version. NEVER TO BE PURCHASED AGAIN. Push for 5 seconds then light fixed mine. One big question. If not, you can still try the MFR, but a web search for honeywell water heater valve also turned up several vendors. It was very difficult to flush out and I ended removing it by use of a shop-vac and small hose modified to get through the valve hole. I got right on the phone to service again and the first person said they would send out another Gas Control Valve, this time no charge for the shipping. If so, I want him shot. Hope this information helps! I tried this simple solution you provided and it worked awesome. Next, there are at least two variations of this unit. Ignite pilot then rotate to hot. Good to know! This whole thread is very interesting. Since the old value was working again I just left it in there. When the first unit failed, I drained out most of the water, sediment appeared minimal. Thanks to all of you!! I will any suggestions ? I got pretty bitter there thinking about it. The pilot stays lit. I suspect that shorting the posts is the way the Sears tech did it the first time. Ill let you know how it worked out. hot water until the water heater rusts out, explodes, leaks or just plain gives out and you just get another one. Although the Frankinvalving wasnt an option/didnt work, it did show me what I was up against, introduced me to others who have had the same problem and what everyones resolution was. 37 sold. But, dont buy a water heater from the DIY in any case. I believe I was getting 7 flashes until turning burner on and in a short time the flashes went to normal 1 flash. Regarding 7 flashes means Gas Control electronic fault They charged me $30 to ship a new white light control valve and i installed it. First off, thank you for this article and thread. Feeling clean & grateful for hot water! The unit will go to 7 blinks initially, but the burners will kick on and after a bit will revert to 1 blink every few seconds (normal operation). Maybe I can avoid the $120 labor charge the next time it breaks. 6. Now it is one-blinking again. If this becomes a regular issue, I might solder a pigtail to each of the terminals and get a battery holder from Radio Shack with quick disconnect terminals. I had a power outage at my house and coincidentally (?) Untwist wires and relight pilot. Thanks to the website and posters for saving me a lot of trouble. I have a GE water heater with a blower motor on top. I have advised my friends to call and tell them they have four flashes and get the gas valve now whether or not it has died. Cal. followed your instructions for shorting the 2 pins and re-light worked just like you said. All that Sears tried to do was sell me a warranty extension for $199. Here is what I did with pictures to solve this issue. Picture:here, 3. Only the technically adept or handy should do attempt this. I closed the cover again and lit the pilot again. So, I set out to see if I could do a reset of some sort by scouring the internet. 20 minutes and the above solution of shorting it to correct the error worked magic. I told them BS, that I was going to install it myself. I replace the whole unit and can not get the pilot to re-light. Like everyone else here I HAD the same issue yesterday. Thank you Tyler and all the responses. I guess Water heaters are now interactive devices requiring yearly maintenance. Regardless what I tried, it was still 4 flashes. I replaced the Assy Unit thermocouple with the pilot lightNOW it flashes 7 times with 3 second pause. Im pretty sure the temp is infinitely adjustable, the marks are there as a reference. The manual, and Sears parts deptartment, told me I needed a new control valve at $150. Thank you Pioneers, Thank you Tyler. The Whirlpool helpline says I have to replace the gas valve. 5. Your expert advice was successful. Can cause severe injury, death or property damage. You dont have to drain the tank or disconnect any gas lines. The thing is still under warranty for parts, but I have to pay shipping, and wait for it to come, and pay a plumber hundreds of dollars to install the fing thing. I also examined the circuit board and noticed a few minor differences, but I think the real problem was in the design and components. This is huge the most important post. There is no need to completely remove the board from the plastic control valve cover. 6. Thank you for posting this ! thank you so much. Does anybody know of an other brand that could replace this crap of a unit? limit (Temperature Cut-Out [TCO]) function. Thats what this sounds like and shorting across it is perfectly OK. Since I dont have a location near me and have a demanding household for hot water, I opted for the $30 overnight shipping option. Whirlpool send me a new igniter/flame sensor and it does the same thing. Can a control valve partially fail like this? Guess that part is personal preference but I thought Id share. Turn the temp knob all the way to High, down to VAC, up to High, down to VAC and then to HOT Make a jumper out of phone wire about 10 long. Where is it located exactly? An honorable mention here needs to go to Bob Robeson, who posted here as well, but it was his original post I found on waterheatertimer.org that set me onto a pathway of searching for another option after I was thoroughly disgusted with Sears/Kenmore Service, which would be more accurately described as Sales based on their approach to my concern. and found a guy that removed the board allowing the capacitors to discharge fully, (just by removing the board). Thank again. (day job of electrical engineer). I spoke with Whirlpool (Honeywell gas valve) and they sent me a new valve. Product guides and documents Product Documentation (PDF) It is now running with no problems thank you for saving me 125$ plus shipping. A good business would be to offer a replacement board that has been restored for use to customers blessed with this hunk of junk! controller). With products ranging from thermostats to air purifiers, alarms and awareness to water management systems, even energy management opportunities, Resideo goes beyond installation to integration of holistic, whole-home solutions. OMG!! But get this They now want owners to drain and flush their tanks every 6 months so calcium will not build up on the sensors! My Family thanks you for the tip to reset the Honeywell Gas control valve. So Im going to drain the tank and replace the valve tomorrow as planned and call them and see how soon they can get me yet another unit. This should at least get you hot water and time to get another controller from like Amazon. For anyone who encounters valve control failure, as long as the problem relates to this particular Honeywell valve controller model (mine was model NU50T61-403), I suggest to go straight to David Boones instruction in this thread for resetting the fault. day installed it i had bad problems to lite, i called Co. they asked if a professional installed it, i told tech ive installed over 15 water heaters & never had this type of trouble, he kind of said that since im not a pro-with licence thats why its not lighting, i told him i didnt like this valve sytem & all 15 water with the old school red dial out lasted the 9 yr some worked till 12 years & why would i ever give $400 to install something i could do & i do know what Im doing just that this system not working at all, i got it 3 years & I got one of the lucky ones, the (2nd one)was built 07/20/2015 i got a call Fri 29th,16 my tenant said water heater stopped working & i had showed him how tom lite it in case im not around & it turns off, he tried many times, depress 1 1/2, 2 min, 3 min & nothing, i got a chance to look into it & i had assumed E-Z fix 5 min ill have it & running, wrong spent hour doing everything instructions had, i asked my tennat at what temp he had it on, he said a lil past the letyter (A) when i installed it i had told him never pass (A) i remember a friend who owns several homes (7) & he told me many nitemare stories of the Honeywell Valve status lite (poop)he was dealing with 7 faulty valves had to pay hotel 3-5 days while they ship parts, even then the water heater co. diagnosed problem wrong, he said a couple times they told him it was the thermopile that was causing pilot lite not to stay on, he waited for part, ordered the Valve although it had warranty but it didnt cover the wasted time, days & hotel for his tenants, but he some how found on his own that setting those types pass the letter (A) the water heater will over heat, thats whats going on with me, i checked everything spark good, pilot lights well but doesnt stay on & the status lite doesnt come on at all, its like its dead, so i called Co. tech guy told me oh thats an E-Z one & no brainner its your thermopile well let me tell my tenants 4 adults 3 teenagers of how E-Z theyll have it for 4 days without hot water you certified (DA=dumb ass)i still didnt feel good about that, i called my friend & my friend said ill bet you a $100 its going to be the thermo pile, call m back & have them send you new Valve & get on YouTube & sites to get help, these sites are extremely helpful, you save money, time, days waiting for part & most likely youll get wrong diagnosed, so Im gearing up & ready to get hot water for my tenants, its a rotten dirty shame that so many people have gotten ripped off by honeywell & no law suits for intentionally selling theyre valves to the water heater makers they too are at fault, at least those of us that can tinker with things are able to FIY i feel for the people who have get a licence person to install, then several months later have the valve burn out, call Co. then pro to install wrong part, wait more days for correct one ? 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