She even labelled food in her kitchen. How would you have reacted in her situation? The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Your email address will not be published. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Just a thought. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. He didnt flip. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Utter Rubbish! i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. He was a mechanic. This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? If anything, I would say its more like few / some. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. Make sense? Which is odd to me again. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. @nickvdl Hi. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. No sign of that either. Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. Shed been drinking?? Theres plenty of liqueurs that are very well hidden in frozen shakes etc. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. That sounds very very snarky. Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. . The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. They were out of town and it was still spotless. Celestes was similar. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. I think His story is believable. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. Want to keep up with the latest. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. I wouldnt throw that out the window. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Or do they just know? Infuriating! I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. But then whats your scenario? Unfortunately she never got the chance. Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). stop, stop. . Chris said he forgot the phone. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. There was no oil in Ceces stomach. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! People with OCD have rituals. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. The ground was visible disturbed. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. On the police cams you can just see hi. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. Would love your thoughts, please comment. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). Perhaps it is safer that the majority public dont know the facts. C . Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. @Lisa oh hell, if your description is an accurate one for a diagnosis of OCD, then I reckon I have it too! But I want to know so badly the time of death. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. After 2nd child, changed. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. How was she about her childrens allergies? Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. They manipulate, connive and plot. No other way to put it. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. 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