All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. Extra people to interact with, which can give you a bonus in the game. Betrayal Legacy Ending Questions (Spoilers included) One more warning, this post will contain massive spoilers for anyone who hasn't completed the campaign. She was the last person to go before the monsters won. It runs over centuries, of course, so there will be new characters, with new bonuses to come. Several of the weapons had a condition, when you kill someone with this weapon check a box. Designer: Rob DaviauArtists: Scott Okumura, Ben OliverPublisher: Avalon HillPlayers: 3-5Time: 45-90 minutes per gameTimes Played: The entire campaign plus several post-campaign haunts Betrayal Legacy is the greatest game ever published. Betrayal Legacy Hints & Tips - Game 1 - You can only Heirloom an Item at the moment you draw the card from the Item deck. Until the end. Took almost 20 hours to print at 0.08 layer height and 5% infill, but any less would be an affront to the Helm. Oh, theoretically you might have a temporary tactical alliance when youre all working to kill a certain player, but you might not. We all win or lose as a group. As we discovered, this results indifferent cards being added to decks (for future play) depending on who won this particular game. I feel like this should have been opened when we transformed the elevator, but nothing on the card said to open door 6. Balanced. So somewhere after Haunt 6, something should have told us to open door 3 in the folio infernum and get access to, and start placing gate stickers? Scan this QR code to download the app now. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. No, we still dont know what this means, but were told the next Chapter will be Part II of the game. The pre-Haunt play rarely feels long enough to be fulfilling, and then we descend into yet another variant of combat, and thats what happens once again. One of the joys of a Legacy game is seeing how it changes over time. This allows some strategic work, as some players are fighting, some are dragging, and some are magically moving. Looks like there might be a few puns in future chants. In the original game, players always start out working together to explore a house up until the haunt is revealed. We want to push on and play chapter 13 but will it not work for some reason because of elements we would have destroyed or something? Figure 2-2: These characters will remain with us (when we dont murder them). Elegant. We stream live on twitch at twitch.tv/QuestsAndChaos every Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday evenings in PST (Pacific Time Zone) My final rating on the game was a 9.8 and I stand behind that. From the end of the prologue one of the players owned the house. SPOILER Betrayal: Legacy SPOILERS we missed a key part but don't know where *SPOILER* . As we were approaching the 1900, we joked about how out of place some of the character models would be. But inBetrayal Legacy, all players can do is choose whether to mark Legacy items (which they do if they can) and whether to win or lose (but thats scarcely achoice). We all knew it would be bad, but we all had different reactions to it. Cookie Notice Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window). Parts of the house are expanded and destroyed, or otherwise permanently altered based on the outcomes of certain missions. Certainly theres some good tension here, which is what you need for a horror game to work, but its not enough to offset the pure unfunness of being punished from every exploration. Were terrified of the traitor, so we immediately move on to stepii, where we engage in tactical cooperation (like we theoretically could have in Chapter One if wed been better equipped) to kill her. This time around, we discover theres a secret cult working out of the house, and we need to discover and kill their leader. Theyre also integral to the third Haunt, which (thankfully) adds a second level of complexity to the cooperative play. Still, were always going to remember the murderer who took over the house. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 2 and is preparing to play Game 3. Figure 6-2: Our last rules addition, the Otherworlds, were disappointing (and frustrating). Event Cards #8. Betrayal Legacy Subscribe Description Every house has a story. Thats because theres no way to provide help in the Otherworlds, and once the resources are recovered, theyre mostly in the form of curses that cant be traded away. Not all Items can be made into Heirlooms. Not a great second look for a co-op game. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window). The Betrayal Legacy Chronicles, Part One discussed the first four adventures, while this continues this series with Chapters Four through Six. Co-op:As the axe murderer is known, theres opportunity in this second game for some simple, tactical cooperation among the cooperating players. This time around theres some bloody doll thats trying to do some blood ritual to become all powerful, or something like that. All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. but Pelase, can someone tell us where we should have started seeing gates. As you play through the game youll never find a way to trigger Haunt 0. This first session almost turned us off the whole game, because we felt manipulated in a clumsy and obvious way. This was a great bit of Legacy because it felt like it permanently changed the house in a way that nothing else did before. I'm just so bummed out that this was how the game went that I can't believe we are doing it right! By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. However the ramp-up of the cooperation may have been more problematic, as we moved through: (p) no cooperation; (1) tactical fighting; (2) minimal strategic cooperation; and (3) multi-stage strategic cooperation. (Spoiler: it wasnt.). If youd ask me to list everything I expected to do while playing Betrayal Legacy I dont think I would have guessed opening portals to other worlds. We come under attack from a disease, which sends us search the Otherworlds, because thats the new mechanic. You have been warned. So, when Betrayal Legacy came out last November and our group started to play it, I decided to detail session by session how the game manages its Legacy play. Our first clue is a really big number on Octavia (we think its a 9, but it turns out to be a 6). In summary: fans of the originalBetrayalwill like theLegacyversion. Mind you,Betrayal Legacysuffers somewhat from the lack of task stabilization discussed on page 88 ofMeeples Together: every time someone attacks a foe, the foe gets an opportunity to attack them back. So my group and I just played chapter 12 and since we crossed out chapter 13 at some point months ago (Due to unfinished painting event) I guess we are done? Co-op:This third game introduces a new mechanic: non-player personas who show up in the house at specific rooms. Meanwhile, we also knew the house and thus were aware of things like there was an Omen space in the Outside and that the last Ground Floor tile was going to reveal a secret door. boardgame geek. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 2**. Consult the Helm I am sure you will have noticed that it is full of empty spaces that are just the right shape to hold Crest stickers. Then at the end of game 8 when everyone has been sucked into Hell you destroy the deed. (Michael.) Now it (barely) fits within the build volume of an Ender 3. She apologized to John, fired the Crossbow, killed the monster, and stood as the Crossbow became engulfed in flames; an unholy weapon of the damned. What were your favorite reveals from this game? Another problem was a lack of player agency, not just in the game itself (always a problem inBetrayal), but in the campaign. There are a cook and a farmhand, who we name Octavia and Ed. Speaking of which. through ALL the events and items. We often found the original game too random, and we felt like the long turns and variable length games often resulted in some or all players never getting off their feet, and so not getting to really experience the adventurous elements of the game. We end up screwing this game up, but it feels better than the others mainly because its got some clever mechanics that allow us some agency and because weuse that agency to screw up. Its kind of intriguing, but not something we actually experienced in this game. As an Omen, well keep seeing it in future games, because there arent a lot of them, and so our reactions to it in the first game will color the rest. Nonetheless, this article uses the word traitor because thats what Betrayal does. Were all normal humans. These seemingly minor details can have major implications by the end of the campaign. We hadnt even come close to filling the thing and here we were getting betrayed by it. Also that they let the first person to die know that there wasnt a witch just in case people were confused was so nice. This shows us that a branch of many colours is a way of sharing the benefits at these times. Liked it? Once you finish the campaign and have fully realized your house there was a warm feeling of finality to the experience. But the Prologue didnt have any late-game cooperation either, since everyone is just trying to kill each other. In other words, wed wanted to see if the Otherworlds were interesting enough to get us to continue play, and if anything, they moved the game in the opposite direction. We now need to discover which one is the cult leader (step i) before killing them (step ii). Instead, most of the Legacy elements were confined to cards and tiles, which might or might not come up in future games, and which would likely be forgotten by the time they did. There just wasnt enough Legacy at the start: it took until our fourth game for us to feel like a Legacy item was effective and to get elements like the helm and the changing house. And, since Betrayal Legacy is a overlord-style co-op, I also decided to chronicle how its co-op play changes over time, as a complement to my work inMeeples Together. Part of that was learning the story elements that will return in future games, including the rooms that make up the house (and its grounds), as well as items. Betrayal Legacy is a gaming experience I will never forget. Right away, Betrayal Legacy shows how it stands apart from the original Betrayal at House on the Hill. So, the Otherworlds could have been the best of the best. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Chapter Four: 1797 The Haunted Furniture The ghosts increasingly haunting the house possess the furniture this session, and we have to burn it in a fire before it kills us. Chapter Four: 1797 The Haunted Furniture. . It wasn't very clear anywhere I could find. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Truly this thing is pleasing, but is nothing before the . You have been warned. There is still some strategic play, with several players running around and smashing so that a final player can INVOKE to close the portal, but its still a big step down from Chapters Two and Three, which had multi-stage strategic cooperation that we thought would be the new normal for the game, but which has largely disappeared in the games since. This level of complexity is nice because it increases the possibilities for strategic play, allowing for some asymmetric cooperation. Then, once during each game, each player can add a sticker, at a time they choose, to reroll their dice, in the hopes of a more favourable outcome. Figure 5-2: The Deed to the House is an example of the very weak Legacy elements in this game. Balanced. With that said, our cooperative experience was a bit subpar: our haunt happened very early, which means that we didnt have much time to collect weapons beforehand. You put one sticker on as part of the setup for chapter 3, but we aren't sure if you put a sticker on when you first pull All of the characters from the original game began to speak. We do. Certainly, the addition of any new rules system is to a Legacy games benefit and the addition of new places to explore even moreso. Figure 2-3: Our family histories are another minor bit of Legacy. Maybe someday I will, but for now Ill let that particular ghost slumber. Betrayal Legacy is a cooperative, exploration game for 3-5 players which plays in about 90-120 minutes and is best with 4-5 players. Every time you sit down to play Betrayal Legacy, you must create a new person in your family tree. I did it with this one. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. In fact, the rules then had me load stuff back under the insert several times after that causing me to take it out of the box multiple times. 3y Castles Of Burgundy I like the idea of revisiting the baby shark chant. You have been warned. In fact when were down to our last piece of furniture, its increasingly obvious were going to win, which is never a great thing a round out in a co-op game. Its tons of fun, with a great story, and really interesting mechanics. When we started playing Betrayal Legacy last year, I decided to chronicle the entire adventure, to detail how the game has changed over time, and how its co-op and Legacy elements worked. Wed suddenly become the lost souls in the middle of the night seeking shelter. There we go. My friend John had the Crossbow as a family heirloom. We were reading the last little bit of story; that denouement that brings it to a nice conclusion. Oh, its slightly different combat, as you SMASH mirror creatures to make it easier to close the portal to the mirror dimension, but its just variants of the same themes. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. There are 13 games remaining. We never managed to get the third check on any of the other weapons. I'm worried there may be other instructions that we may have missed. That small piece of paranoia was just perfectly placed. Co-op: We actually spend most of our time roleplaying rather than cooperating in the early part of the game, which is a fine alternative. I will hide the exact purpose of it under a Spoiler tag, for those that want to start the game unknowing. I was actively trying to get that third check to read story and see the horror unleashed. Legacy: Were back to the core Legacy play being relatively shallow, though our cooperative play helps a few of the Legacy items get to the right people. It's even possible to keep your character from a previous game, assuming they made it out of the mission alive. Unfortunately, it was two spaces away and she only had one ranged weapon. When does the mundane elevator become the mystic elevator. we play the game and win (woohoo) and no rules come up for gates. It was an amazing move. But can you only use the the Helm Rerolls on your own dice? Obviously it was cursed and anyone who used it was doomed. Betrayal Legacy | Ep.4 | Chapter 3 | Board Game Playthrough | SPOILERS! Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters, Betrayal Legacy is the best board gaming experience I've had, Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, 'Shadows in the Forest' Board Game Review. Privacy Policy. You destroy the deed. Rules additions are a major element of Legacy games, and they can add a lot so well see what the next game brings. We get to look at them one at a time. The example is playable. How many stickers should each player have on the helm when you're finished with setup and actually start playing chapter 3? Efficient. I completed this campaign over a year ago and I still remember it with a fondness. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Honestly, were still not thrilled: this second Haunt is so basic. But we cant keep making our own fun. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. . Betrayal Legacy is also smart for what it does and does not take from the original Betrayal. Not only do we get a Sickle of War Legacy item to its appropriate family but the player then uses it to kill the evil baby! So, well see repercussions of this game, mainly in new ways that the house is haunted, for the rest of our campaign. We werent certain how it would go, but we knew wed end up checking that last box eventually. The introduction of NPCs (non player characters) are another fun addition to the game. Take a second to support Shannon Appelcline on Patreon! As it turns out, the cooperation ofBetrayal Legacyramps up in complexity and meaningfulness over the first four or so sessions of play, but this was not a great first look for a game that was supposed to be a co-op. Killing three people with the Crossbow. When we get to the Haunt its again tactical combat. Figure 1-1: Our second house sprawls more. Second, players got to mark ghosts on tiles where they died. There is not too much that needs explaining, except that its ability can only be used by each player, once per game. Co-op:The co-op rules have also been getting more complex, and this time we non-traitors have a three-part process: (step i) find and memorize runes; (step ii) make a crib for an evil baby; and (step iii) kill the evil baby. You could even go around so that everyone has a turn being the high priest and starting the chant with baby shark. This should easily print with no supports and minimal infill, outside of how large it is, this is a . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Are you interested in playing Betrayal Legacy with your group? There's an overarching narrative throughout the entire campaign, and many of the pieces added to the story are discovered based on how games end. InBetrayal Legacy it felt like this slow ramp-up negatively affected two crucial system: the Legacy elements and the cooperative play. The Omen cards are the most familiar, but thats our main continuity. We didnt think it was going to happen in game 8. Back to the house. A new mechanic that can only be used once, is easy to forget about, during the course of exploring the house, so just try and keep it in mind, once you read it. If it reveals a branch with no stickers on it, simply choose again. Drop a comment below and Ill compile a commenters list at some point in the future. We did encounter a few rules snags while playing, but if you just go with the story and as a group decide on what sounds the most fun and fair way to figure out the problem, you'll be fine. That we talked about how none of us might be a witch, but also how thats exactly what the witch would say. This will create particular areas in our house that are haunted. 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