Lisa:So you're telling me they didn't have to apply for grants, or have funding cycles, or write proposals. In Silicon Valleys renegade days, a hardheaded Texan chased dreams of a flying car. This is so bizarre that nobody will ever be able to take this guy seriously.". When I looked at that, I said, "Here, finally, is a Nazi I don't have to worry about. High quality topics, the wisdom of his years, masterful tactics in eliciting answers from guests and audience, crafty spontaneous, and at times - well timed pertinent flow of questions and inquiries, not self-opinionated, all these qualities that present talk-show hosts don't seem to have. Wow, William Shockley. Actually, this brings something up for me. And in one of the books that he was writing, he devoted an entire chapter to Barry Mehler. I mean, I was never anybody really. Rigo:No one has proven that these threats came from The Pioneer Fund, but what we do know is that The Pioneer Fund actually hired a private investigation firm. Jensen was willing to take a stand, and he knew what he was doing. So I'm gonna go back to that book in a bit. By downloading this file you agree to our access conditions and use restrictions. You might get something, but raise that up to 25 million to a really public place where i- it's the same thing as w- wearing the kippah. Wh- why is there all this hatred? He is among the most influential talk show hosts whose fans have nicknamed king of daytime talk.He was in 1996 ranked #42 on TV Guides 50 Greatest TV Stars of All Time. Rigo:I am, and he starts out telling a sort of funny story about seeing Rushton at a conference, but then he gets really serious. Sam Harris:People don't want to hear that intelligence is a real thing, and that some people have more of it than others, and they certainly don't want to hear the average IQ differs across races and ethnic groups. There's like, an intellectual continuity, so that theory Mehler had as a 13 year old boy, that the Nazis didn't just suddenly disappear, he was right. What was striking was the more extreme you were, the more successful you seemed to be in this whole world, and what I found interesting was that you could have, uh, a very mainstream sort of academic career, and then you could be on the editorial board of Roger Pearson's Mankind Quarterly, and nobody would notice that. Rigo:Orthodox Jewish men and boys wear a kippah, or a skullcap every day. Rigo:Yes. Rigo:The seed of The Pioneer Fund starts in the early 1900s, with a guy named Wickliffe Preston Draper. Rigo:Until a dark side came out. Angela:If, you know, the basis of the study of human difference for a couple of hundred years has been that race is real, you don't let go of it overnight, and so of course they didn't let go of it, uh Of it overnight. And on the other hand were the political people who did the actual exploiting. And, and I know he doesn't understand, the movement that he's a part of begins in the Hitler and the institutions that Phil belongs to grow right out of the Hitler era. This is the Nazis in suits strategy that was so part of their message. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, but he soon started pushing the envelope by discussing health and social topics previously considered taboo. Barry's Jewish identity was visible to everyone all the time. I mean the first thing that comes to mind for me is The Bell Curve by Charles Murray, which was huge. Have you ever heard of Arthur Jensen? Find thousands of books, manuscripts, visual materials and unpublished archives from our collections, Barry:I mean, to this day I can't, you know, tell you what that does to me. Rigo:Right. Signed, photo. Rigo:What's interesting about eugenics is that it's a dirty word now, but in the 1920s and the early 1930s, they were mainstream ideas, they were in vogue. 5 (May, 1992), Counseling, Crossdressers, Gender dysphoria, Gender studies, LGBTQ+ relationships, Sexology, Transsexual people, American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors, and Therapists (AASECT), Ari Kane, Institute for Sexology, KDPR, Outreach Institute of Gender Studies (OIGS), The David Susskind Program, The Geraldo Show, The Phil Donahue Show, Theseus Counseling Service, WBUR Boston, WEEI Boston, WHDH Boston, WICE Providence, Clothing, Crossdressers, Crossdressing, Discrimination, Drag, Families, Finances, Gender realignment surgery, Jewelry, Law, Prisons, Transsexual people, Be All You Want to Be, Carlo Seta, Chillecothe Correctional Institute, Christine Jorgensen, Diane Kendall, Indiana Crossdresser Society, Sally Jessie Raphael Show, The Phil Donahue Show, Magazine name changed from "Cross-Port" starting with Vol. Rigo:Exactly. Web10 A.M., Phil Donahue, CH.5 Biographical Sketch of Ari Kane Cross-Port InnerView, Vol. It's the Phil Donahue Show, one of the '90s most watched talk shows. There are no reviews yet. Lisa:Ah, the classic he who smelt it, dealt it maneuver. Unpublished finding aid available at the repository. And I thought, "Wow, this is terrific." Decades later, it still sounds the same. Rigo:That was Angela Saini, the author of the bookSuperior: The Return of Race Science. In fact, he spent his whole career going after people like Rushton, poking holes at their arguments, trying to get people to see them for what they really are, racist scientists. Rigo: Now, Rushton tries to avoid mentioning the crux of the argument, but Donahue kind of does a translation. Lisa:Ah, the infamous William Shockley. Lisa:So basically Mehler's kitchen table would have been filled with racist propaganda hate mail 24/7 365? Germany modeled its involuntary sterilization laws on ours. Barry:It's one thing to, you know You listen to, you hear some kind of quote from William Shockley, but then to see a full page, you know, layout in The Thunderbolt, I mean they were just overtly racist, and William Shockley was their hero. Then the black population in the United States on the average. Now, while the video, the language in that video is profane. Lisa:That blows right past yikes into holy crap territory. it's an offer that, uh, for $9,999, I can go with him on a tour of Antarctica to tour the Nazi's secret flying saucer base, or for $9.99, I could get a replica, a model of the Of the Nazi flying saucer which was a Frisbee with a swastika on it. He originally thought any difference in intelligence Black and white people were from environmental factors, but after working with Shockley, Jensen started arguing that intelligence was inherited. Search the history of over 797 billion Funding wasn't an issue for them, they had Wickliffe Draper. WebIn his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. Here's $100. Producer: Rigoberto Hernandez It's kind of a misunderstanding, or a misuse of Darwin's theory of evolution, and it's actually interesting that it's Darwin's cousin, his half cousin, Sir Francis Galton, who really advocates for this idea of genetic determinism. Rigo:Exactly. It was very important for them to be able to find a place where they would be appreciated. Most of it was junk race science, but some of the research and researchers were arguably legitimate so that if someone accused them of being a racist, they could point to legitimate research they funded. There are somebody who's at the top. And so you know where his head's at. Don Grady (of "My Three Sons") composed the theme song for the Donahue show. Barry:Laughlin had the in roads, uh, the contact with legislators, the machinery of propaganda, and Draper had the money, and those two things went together to make Laughlin the first president of the foundation that was formed by Draper. Who's funding him? So Rigo, you're one of our producers on our show, Distillations, and you've come in with a story today for us, right? Barry:What I noticed immediately was how important these academics were. Ah, Barry Mehler. The Bell Curve was one of The Pioneer Fund's greatest hits for two reasons. So when things got hot, you wanted to make sure everything was locked down. I mean, I was never anybody really important. Rigo:So he actually publishes a lot, and one of the things he published was an article in a Nazi magazine. Rigo:Okay. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. Stuff was pouring off the presses from him. How did people receive this? So here is a guy who's wiling to take a stand for racism, and the Pioneer was willing to give him anything to help him spread that news. During the War of 1870, astronomer Jules Janssen risked his life for scientific prestige and French patriotism. [laughs] And, you know, and he's arguing that you can't boost their IQ by, uh, any kind of environmental changes, which is kind of an absurd argument anyway to make. Rigo:So, clearly method three achieved the desired effect, to find powerful like minded racists. Our agenda to port bill Blakemore has been looking into a fairly obscure research fund that has drawn attention because of this book, the bell curve, a fund. Rigo:Honestly, you're not that far off. Some are big name academics at big name universities. Donahue - Phil Donahue : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Volume 90% 00:00 44:06 44:06 1 Donahue - 1972 - Gladys Knight 45:36 2 Lisa:Ah, charming. And I wasn't just calling them Nazis, I was putting out a context to show that this was a fascist endeavor, and that these people were not only Neo Nazis, but they were just old fashioned Nazis, and I think that it was one of the reasons why they hated me so much. What he's just been talking about. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. Audio Engineer: Jonathan Pfeffer. Rigo:Yeah, and The Pioneer Fund steers their work too. This guy is so off his rocker. Commercials were cut during the broadcast. Why would I publish under a pseudonym? WebPhil Donahue Show Transcripts (Transcripts), 1981-1982 Scope and Contents The Lectures, Speeches, Interviews series primarily consists of material related to the many lectures, And it's a label they pin on people and then you don't even attend to what the person said. WebAn icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. Their desire is to have a platform to disseminate their ideas, and we would be giving them platform if we allow them to speak to here. We were the leaders in the field. In his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. Lisa:Sure. Do you want to know what else was in Barry Mehler's mailbox? You know, the only thing I had was the fact that I was able to articulate a context, and a vision that nobody else really had. So a '90s race scientist has come to the Phil Donahue Show. Okay. You don't have to apply. And remember, the Harvard Educational Review, they published it. And as I got up, uh, a question began to form that really took me really the rest of my life to contemplate, which was why do they hate me? Barry:I don't need to have credit. Lisa:No. Barry:And he puts this thing together which immediately is picked up by the American racist right, and the networking is incredible. The Hagley Digital Archives provides online access to selected items from the Hagley Library's collection of images, documents, and publications related to the history of business, technology, and society. That's the question is, uh, who is funding Philippe Rushton? Lisa:Give me a taste of who we're talking about there. He was also tracking another person who raised red flags for him, someone who was very important to The Pioneer Fund and the neo Nazi movement. At the end of World War II chemist Charles Phelps Smyth chased down German nuclear scientists and the equipment they left behind. Lisa:It works sort of like a bat signal, but instead of attracting superheroes, you uncover white supremacists. And here the relationship was reversed, in which Pioneer or Draper would contact these people and say, "Oh, I see you're doing things. Barry:You know when you don't want to know? I was the only one really putting together these strands because I was reading the racist newspapers. Phil Donahue, who may be television's most prominent advocate of that school, taped five episodes of ''Donahue,'' his syndicated talk show, in the Soviet Union last month. It's kind of a fitting name because he was born into a wealthy family in 1891. Barry:One of the things that Roger Pearson writes about me in his chapter, The Strange Case of Barry Mehler, was that I mail out my stuff in envelopes and I sent them around surreptitiously to all kinds of people, which is, of course, not true. He wrote the Funding of Scientific Racism. Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. Barry:We had DEFCON levels at my house, levels of security. Rigo:Yeah. That's an entirely other level of bad. I have a position at Ferris State University. Their goal was just to have a platform for their ideas to live on. And since these race scientists all knew each other, the journal became kind of like an echo chamber, and they all praised and cited each other's work to give it the veneer of legitimate science. 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Barry: The Pioneer was looking for scholars who were willing to take a stand, and that's what Jensen was willing to do. I never wasted a trip. And we just went down a whole list, and, you know, and he confirmed that he was all those people. Bill:Shockley was a very difficult person to work with, and eventually Pioneer ended his funding because he was just turning people off that Pioneer wanted to influence. Lisa:So just setting the scene again for people listening, we're watching The Phil Donahue Show. Lisa:Wow. Lisa:This is exactly what The Pioneer Fund ultimately wanted, right? Rigo:It was a journal for racists by racists, a home for race scientists who had been rejected by other more mainstream journals. The group behind it bombed a synagogue in 1958, just to give you a sense of who they were. Here's money we'll send you. Rigo:They're projecting, obviously. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. Rigo:Yeah. Rigo:Yeah. Rigo:Exactly, and they develop a playbook to ensure their survival. Some say, it's just part of his teaching style. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Rigo:So he writes a series of articles in the late 1970s exposing people like Jensen, and then in 1983, he writes a paper called The New Eugenics in which he puts all these race academics into context. You know, he's really surprised. Lisa:The quote that everyone remembers from that trial is when Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." If you would like more information, please contact askhagley@hagley.org. If you are concerned about the archival material presented here, or want to learn more about our ongoing work, please contact us at research@hagley.org. If a white supremacist wanted to discredit what you have to say, they, they might say, "Barry Mehler is a unreliable narrator because look at what happened." I'm sure the teenagers loved it. Rigo:Yeah. on the Internet. Rigo: In 1935, before the Pioneer Fund is official, Laughlin sends Wycliffe Draper to a eugenics academic conference in Berlin. [laughs]. It was part of his insecurity, but the data for this was so stupid. Format Moving Image. About | Browse this Partner Contact Us Rigo:They were very entangled. At this point, Barry Mehler decides not to become a rabbi, and instead pursues the history of science, and in particular, the history of Nazis and race science. American media personality Phil Donahue is famous for pioneering and hosting "The Phil Donahue Show," later known as "Donahue." And you're a Neo Nazi and he added you back. Barry:This kind of propaganda, and this kind of advocacy goes on for some time. Rigo:One of the people to receive the most money from Draper and the Pioneer Fund was the founder of the Mankind Quarterly, Roger Pearson. Is he the psychologist whose work is cited in The Bell Curve? His work inspired others like Bill Tucker to follow the money, and the thing that really stood out to me about Mehler's writing was that there was a sense of urgency. Murray told the New York Times that, quote, "Some of the things we read to do this work, we literally had to hide when we were on planes and trains.". Rigo:One way that the Mankind Quarterly differs from other journals is their use of pseudonyms, which I'm guessing is it not normal in academia? And even after his death, Pioneer continued the same tradition, which was the distribution of unsolicited works to various individuals in the hopes that it would influence public policy. Photo credit to Steve Kagan. For example, when I went on the shows, you know, the audience was overwhelmingly on my side. VHS Collectors Barry:One day walking on the street, it was a beautiful spring day, and I was daydreaming, and unbeknownst to me, two boys run up behind me, and one of them just punched me in the back, sent me flying, you know, stars, and, you know, and then, then they run on. WebDonahue: With Phil Donahue, Sammy Davis Jr., Dolly Parton, Debby Boone. The department is located in UNT's Willis Library in the fourth floor Reading Room. 5 (May, 1992) Improving Our Image Powerpoint Our Sorority Issue 15 (April 1987) Phyllis Frye and Phil Donahue TV Guise Vol. Phil Donahue, in full Phillip John Donahue, (born December 21, 1935, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.), American journalist and television personality who pioneered the daytime issue-oriented TV talk show. They painted the swastika backwards." Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.mp4. Rigo:Even though his work was only in left leaning publications, the TV appearances were a big platform for Mehler to refute their ideas, but he says that might have been for nothing. He was inspired by Hans F. K. Gnther, the Third Reich's most prominent race scientist. You know, for God's sakes, we're feeding them breakfast. Rigo:Right. How did people receive this? The pioneer fund has been the key source of funding for the last 20 years of scientists who have produced the material. Not only was the war not over, but the Nazis were still out to get my son. So they could see it. We're losing. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Uploaded by Over the years, he was trying to show the world that there was a direct line from Nazis in World War II to race scientists like Philippe Rushton, and it all comes back to the funding source. It was because I was not a mainstream scholar that I was able to get away with all the things that I was able to, to do, and I did survive. Innateis made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. Donahue's guests are two middle aged men who could really pass as accountants. However, Phil's life changed after meeting Marlo Thomas on his talk show. Rigo:Arthur Jensen in particular got more than a million dollars from them. Rigo:So he names names, Pearson, Jensen, Shockley, and its newest Pioneer star, Phillip Rushton, and because of this, he's called onto television shows like the Phil Donahue Show. I'm retiring at the end of this year. Lisa: Ah, charming. Bill:The Mankind Quarterly is a very interesting publication. Episode 2 from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. This is Bill Tucker. Rigo:In 1961, he co founded a journal called the Mankind Quarterly, and guess who's funding the journal? Nobody wants to know that stuff, and nobody is really offended by it. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, Read allThe precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Lisa:Okay. There's a cost to negative publicity, and that maybe he's learned that, uh, there is a way of funding the kinds of, um, activities that he's, uh, in favor of without making them very prominent. This was also done to make it seem like there were more race scientists than there actually were. He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administrations motives. Rigo:Exactly, and you know what comes next is that Drape becomes a cash cow for Laughlin's schemes. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. Whites have fewer sexual partners than do blacks. You want to publish if you can in a journal with a higher impact score rather than a lower impact score. Rigo:So the Mankind Quarterly was not taken seriously by their academics, and you can see that in their impact score. [laughs]. He really started to feel their wrath. Barry:Jerry Hirsch sued Roger Pearson, so we were able to get a deposition under oath, and I prepared a list for Jerry's attorney to simply ask, uh, Pearson, "Have you published under this name, this name, this name, this name?" I went to the police about the swastika on the mailbox and they said, "Yeah, you know, that's just kids, you know, and look, they didn't even do it right. Is there anything that can get you cut off? I had a subscription to all these, you know, Nazi newspapers. Jensen's vague ideas about intelligence being inherited were explicitly connected to the growing neo Nazi movement. They had to have two talking heads, and, and somebody had to speak for the other side for them to get their message out, and not only did I understand that, but I don't think that we run this. Although it was widely dismissed, it is still cited today as evidence that white people are smarter than Black people, and it's all biological. There were some consequences, though. The opposite, in fact. "I realized during the commercials that these people in the audience were asking better questions than I was. Lisa:I feel like you're about to play me an example. Despite what most people would agree were really problematic endeavors, Pearson did not have trouble finding a job in academia. He won a Nobel Prize for his work on semiconductors. Americans were getting spooked by what they saw in Germany. Mehler connected the dots. They understood that tides were turning but they weren't ready to go away. 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